Encoding of ordered lists

[rettinghaus]

There seems to be an inconsitency with the encoding of ordered lists. Most are using @rend="numbered", a few @rend="ordered".

What I get from this dated discussion it should be ordered, but couldn't figure out, what the preferred encoding within the Guidelines should be nowadays.

The Stylesheets use list type="ordered" for converting to TEI.

[hcayless]

My own contention is that all lists are ordered and cannot be otherwise, so to label them as such is silly. But opinions may vary.

[lb42]

Hughs contention would be more persuasive if tei offered any way of explicitly encoding unordered aggregates of items. But it doesnt....

[hcayless]

An item in TEI is defined as a component of a list, so that might be a reason why it doesn't. If you need one, we could create an itemGrp, I suppose. "Unordered" as in HTML ul tags or old-style TEI list @types means "not numbered". They still have an order. They can't help it.

[jamescummings]

My recollection is that our previous discussion concluded that it wasn't really about whether the items were in an order (as Hugh says they obviously are) but whether that order mattered to the encoder or whether they only put them in that order because one must to encode them as a list.

[lb42]

So long As rhe guidelinese are expressed in something like xml, its obviously true that the order of any series of child elements is determined. We do however already provide an @org attribute for encoders wishing to override this behaviour. See its definitions on att.divLike and vColl . Maybe adding list to the att.divLike class would be a good idea?

[cthomasdta]

Quick question to understand the direction of the discussion, Klaus @rettinghaus

There seems to be an inconsitency with the encoding of ordered lists. Most are using @rend="numbered", a few @rend="ordered".

Does your initial observation include an objection against using @rend="numbered", e.g. for lists that are explicitly numbered (instead of e.g. bulleted) in the manuscript transcribed?

Or are you and is everybody else fine with (most) people using @rend="numbered" (and @rend="bulleted" etc.), and are only wondering if the value "ordered" is reasonable and makes sense for <list>s?

[rettinghaus]

I'm a little surprised at the direction the discussion on this simple question has taken. I apologise if I have not made myself clear.
@rend="numbered" explicitly states that every item carries a number, while from my point of view @rend="ordered" only implies it. (Looking at this from the HTML perspective you may come to another conclusion.)
So my original question pointed to the @rend="ordered" still used in AB-About.xml. All other cases use @rend="numbered", and I was just wondering if this should be unified.