benchmarks: Qwen3.6-27B vs Qwen3.8-27B head-to-head (802-cell freeze) — no-think delivery regression, grader-defect overlay, five retractions - #46
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The p1_testwrite family produced discovery-only loops that shipped no gradeable artifact. Add a strict system prompt, require CHANGELOG.md / decisions.md / research.md via --require-files, and tighten the per-cell stuck threshold to 250 iterations for that family only. Every other family keeps the historical 500-iteration default and an empty require-files set, so their behaviour is unchanged. Ran live in the qwen3.8-27b-q4-t1-t3 campaign: p1_testwrite think-xhigh went 0/3 to 3/3.
…6T14:23:09Z) New entry benchmarks/qwen36-vs-qwen38-27b-2026-08: 802 frozen cells across 9 sampler/mode arms plus a 19-cell Q8_0 control, every number derived from the frozen dataset mmbt-frozen-dataset-v2.csv (sha256 d2ed0bec..., stamped 2026-08-16T14:23:09Z; supersedes the 746-cell freeze #1). Finding: the one large, robust effect is a no-think delivery regression, not a capability gap. 3.8's identical-call-loop rate is +28.0 pp at the matched sampler (Fisher p=4.9e-09) and +29.2 pp at the vendor points (p=1.1e-11), disappears in think mode, and reproduces at Q8_0 (6/19, Wilson CI excludes zero). Conditional on delivery and after grader corrections the models are within noise at the matched sampler (86.0% vs 86.2% no-think); the vendor-point conditional gap (~15 pp) survives correction and is left unresolved. Corrections: three verified MMBT grader defects, corrected in a non-destructive overlay (165 per-cell records, digest e332cd2c...) - D1 word-gate tokenizer mismatch (62 counter-dependent verdicts invalidated), D2 p3_pm keyword literalism (36 verdict flips; the repo's own tested fix had been scoped to gemma4 cell names and never ran on these campaigns), D3 p2_triage brief/ground-truth contradiction (24 flips). grade.json, briefs and ground truth untouched. Retractions: five earlier conclusions from this investigation are retracted in claims.yaml (operator-label abort rate, p3_pm and p2_triage family results, the 9-3 family win split, the "default vs default" thinking comparison). Seven new claims added, all provisional or held. KNOWN-LIMITATIONS gains freeze-extract, replicate-depth, seed-correlation, missing-think-arm, empty-hand-rating, p3_market, and Q8_0 quantization caveats. Also includes the campaign harness fix (bench_autopilot.py: scope sandbox cleanup to the running arm instead of a global docker wipe) and the campaign configs this investigation ran on (cfg-offspec.json, qwen3.8-27b-q4-t03-matched-mmbt.json, fleet ensure-scripts). Validation: verify_overlay.py green (idempotence, leniency invariant 0 violations over 686 cells, write guard, 853 protected files unmutated, empty post-freeze-divergence ledger); build_results.sh deterministic rebuild byte-identical across runs; validate_fixes.py 174 checks, 0 failures. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
…rvives The repo-wide "*.csv text eol=lf" attribute was normalizing the freeze-2 extract in the object store (python csv.writer emits CRLF terminators), so the committed blob hashed f28a37b7... instead of the stamped d2ed0beca5b68e9ca63788e452235f23a299af06639893f558bef19f784cf018 that every document in the entry cites, and sha256sum on a fresh checkout would fail. Pin the file binary per the existing policy for SHA-anchored corpus files and recommit the verbatim bytes. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
… B1-B11 bias list) House-convention audit doc for the entry: what is locked across both models, what varies, what the comparison can and cannot support, and the full bias list - including the three that cut against the headline (B2 residual quant thinness, B5 matched-regime asymmetry, B11 unresolved recoverable workspaces). All numbers at freeze #2 (802 cells, 2026-08-16T14:23:09Z). Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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…tion-only) Apply to the PR 46 head the same insertion-only EXPLORATORY notices that exist on the methodology branch (extracted verbatim from commit e4a03b1, findings.md + AUDIT.md only). Both files verified byte-identical to their methodology-branch (06b2ae6) versions. Audit finding A2; PR 46 remains draft and held. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Summary
Head-to-head of Qwen3.6-27B and Qwen3.8-27B, both at Unsloth UD-Q4_K_XL, across the
12-family MMBT suite: 802 frozen cells (733 graded) over 9 sampler/mode arms, plus a
19-cell Q8_0 control. Every number derives from a single frozen extract
(
data/mmbt-frozen-dataset-v2.csv, sha256d2ed0bec…784cf018, stamped2026-08-16T14:23:09Z) — the campaign is stopped, in-flight cells are quarantined, andthe corpus is static.
The one large, unambiguous effect is a delivery regression, not a capability
regression: 3.8's identical-call-loop rate in no-think mode is +28.0 pp over 3.6 at the
matched sampler (Fisher p = 4.9e-09) and +29.2 pp at the vendor points (p = 1.1e-11),
measured upstream of all grading. The regression disappears in think mode and reproduces
at Q8_0 (6/19, Wilson 95% CI excludes zero), so it is not an artifact of the 4-bit quant.
Conditional on delivering, and after grader corrections, the models are within noise at
the matched sampler (86.0% vs 86.2% no-think; 92.5% vs 89.6% think); the ~15 pp
vendor-point conditional gap survives correction and is left unresolved. Thinking costs
3.8 roughly 2.2–3.0x more tokens with no pass-rate gain.
The campaign also audited MMBT's own graders and found three defects that materially
distort raw numbers. Corrections ship as a non-destructive overlay (165 per-cell records,
digest
e332cd2c…); nograde.json, task brief, or ground-truth file is modified.What's in the entry (
benchmarks/qwen36-vs-qwen38-27b-2026-08/)findings.md— the house-register entry: top-line, provenance, delivery/as-graded/corrected tables, cost, Q8_0 control, three qualitative exhibits, grader defects in one
screen, retractions, what-we-did-not-run, reproduction instructions.
grader-defects.md— full defect report: D1 word-gate tokenizer mismatch (62counter-dependent verdicts gate-invalidated), D2
p3_pmkeyword literalism (36 verdictflips), D3
p2_triagebrief/ground-truth contradiction (24 flips), with naturalexperiments, per-cell appendix, and prior-campaign exposure.
results-tables.md+results.json— full statistical tables, rendereddeterministically by
tooling/build_results.sh.data/— the frozen CSV + freeze stamp..gitattributespins the CSV binary so thestamped sha256 survives the repo-wide
*.csv text eol=lfrule (the extract is CRLF byconstruction; the sha covers those bytes).
overlay/— manifest + 165grade.corrected.jsonrecords mirroring the campaign loglayout. D2/D3 records carry
corrected_verdict; D1 records carrygate_invalidatedonly (counter-dependent, not a verified PASS).
tooling/— freeze extractor, overlay generator + verifier, results generators,validation harness. Stdlib-only Python.
Top-level integrations
benchmarks/findings-index.md— new newest-first row.claims.yaml— 7 new claims (all provisional or held) and 5 new retractions; now 45claims / 7 retracted, ids unique file-wide. Retracted: the operator-label "abort rate",
both defect-family results (
p3_pm,p2_triage), the 9–3 family win split, and the"default vs default" thinking comparison.
KNOWN-LIMITATIONS.md— 7 new subsections (freeze-extract provenance, replicate depth,shared-seed replicates, missing 3.8-vendor think arm, empty hand-rating slots,
p3_marketnon-replayability, quantization specificity).Campaign harness files (pre-existing work this investigation ran on)
tooling/bench_autopilot.py— cleanup scoping fix: docker sandbox wipe + workspacecleanup now scoped to the running arm's label instead of a global wipe that killed
concurrent campaigns' live cells.
tooling/cfg-offspec.json,tooling/qwen3.8-27b-q4-t03-matched-mmbt.json, two fleetensure-*.shdeployment scripts.Pre-push verification (independent, from the committed tree)
results.json+results-tables.mdrebuilt from the committedtree alone (git-archive extract; tooling + data + overlay) are byte-identical to the
committed artifacts after normalizing exactly three absolute-path provenance strings.
The
defect_diagnosticsblock additionally reads rawgrade.jsonfiles that stayoutside the repo by convention (
/logs/is never committed).(own Wilson/Fisher implementations) — group inventory, delivery, loop rates, as-graded
and corrected tables, defect counts, Q8_0 block, vendor per-family delivery, overlay
digest, saturation and label-disagreement cross-tabs — all match the published values
at quoted precision.
path tracked; no
grade.json/receipt.json/ task brief / ground-truth filemodified anywhere in the diff; committed CSV blob hashes to the stamped sha256.
"Supersedes" context; no Welch-based stat, no stale group sizes, no
corrected_verdicton D1-only cells; all entry docs are LF-clean.verify_overlay.py: idempotence, write-guard, leniency invariant 0 violations over686 cells, 853 protected files unmutated, empty post-freeze-divergence ledger.
validate_fixes.py: 174 checks, 0 failures.Note: the audit document (AUDIT.md) was not present in staging at assembly time and is
not part of this PR.
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