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Tries to tie together the various roles under a mission statement
and organizes the roles as bullet points, similar to the TAG.

Based on discussions captured in
  w3c/AB-memberonly#248
  https://www.w3.org/2025/03/26-ABpurpose-minutes.html
  https://www.w3.org/2025/Talks/AC/ab-wendy-reid/slides.pdf
As part of a [=W3C Council=],
members of the [=Advisory Board=] hear and adjudicate on [=Submission Appeals=]
and [=Formal Objections=].
<li>Managing the <a href="#GAProcess">evolution of the Process Document</a>.
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I thought the role was stronger than this with respect to the process?

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I thought the role was stronger than this with respect to the process?

In what sense?

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TallTed commented Apr 15, 2025

Those </li> may be optional. I do not feel that such optionality means they should always be left out. To my eye, they help keep the source coherently readable, which is important since that is where the document is edited. (So far as I'm aware, there's no user-focused editing tool for .bs documents that shows the rendered result along the way.)

The [=Advisory Board=] is distinct from the [=Board of Directors=]
and has no decision-making authority within W3C;
and has no decision-making authority over W3C;
its role is strictly advisory.
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its role is strictly advisory.

Given the AB's role in managing the Process document (and now also The Vision, and facilitating the Code of Conduct, which can be a separate PR), and FO Councils, it's high time to remove this legacy phrase which causes more confusion than clarity in practice.

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I am cautiously in favor of this proposed removal. Removing this sentence does not cause the AB to gain any decision power it does not otherwise have, so this seems to be a safe change, and "strictly" hasn't really been true, so this is a likely source of confusion.

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In fact, I don't believe that sentence is correct anymore. The Process says: "Revision of the W3C Process and related documents (see below) undergoes similar consensus-building processes as for technical reports, with the Advisory Board acting as the sponsoring Working Group.".

So, the AB does have decision powers, similar to Working Groups. Both are subject to AC Reviews.


The [=Advisory Board=] is distinct from the [=Board of Directors=]
and has no decision-making authority within W3C;
and has no decision-making authority over W3C;
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and has no decision-making authority over W3C;
and has no decision-making authority over W3C.

Punctuation consistent with the prior suggestion.

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Made a couple of optional suggestions which I think improve this section along with these edits, however will defer to editor's discretion.

Rest of it is a solid incremental improvement.

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frivoal commented Apr 16, 2025

About the optional </li> tags, I think this is an editorial question that should be left to the editor(s). More over, the editor(s) have documented their preference in this matter for the whole document: https://github.com/w3c/process/blob/main/index.bs#L21

Co-authored-by: Ted Thibodeau Jr <[email protected]>
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chaals commented May 1, 2025

The reason for electing an Advisory Board is to provide guidance to the Team in the areas indicated on behalf of the membership, i.e. without having to poll the entire membership. That serves the Team, in enabling them to have regular input, and the members in enabling them not to have to give it as a body so often.

I think it would be helpful if that were clarified in working out this PR.

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is elected by the Membership to advance the effectiveness of W3C as a community by:

<ul>
<li>Providing ongoing guidance to the Team
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is elected by the Membership to advance the effectiveness of W3C as a community by:
<ul>
<li>Providing ongoing guidance to the Team
is elected by the Membership to provide ongoing guidance to the Team, on behalf of the Membership,

(with subsequent markup tweaks left for the editor - I think they're obvious).

@frivoal frivoal added this to the Deferred milestone May 19, 2025
per Tess's suggestion

Co-authored-by: Theresa O'Connor <[email protected]>
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I think "community" was simpler and provided the AB more flexibility. This particular change to focus on "SDO", while I may have my own opinions about it (leaning toward 'can live with') feels like a big enough change that I'd rather see explicit commentary from members of the current AB in support of such a focus before adding it to this PR. Maybe consider postponing this change (community/SDO) for a separate PR?

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The reason for electing an Advisory Board is to provide guidance to the Team in the areas indicated on behalf of the membership, i.e. without having to poll the entire membership.

That's no longer always the case since 2023.

  1. the AB acts as the Working Group to revise the W3C Process, and related documents. It is no longer guiding the Team on how to revise the Process.
  2. the AB is part of W3C Councils, where Team and W3C decisions can be affirmed or overturned.

So, with the exception of those 2 cases, the AB only has a guidance role, per Process 2025.

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